Relationships and friendships transcripts

Donna:

00:00-00:02

What is your proudest moment of your life?

Debra:

00:03-00:09

Ooh probably getting engaged to my boyfriend. It was my proudest moment of my life.

Donna:

00:11-00:11

What?

Debra:

00:11-00:13

Getting engaged to my boyfriend.

Donna:

00:13-00:15

Oh, that’s good news. You’re getting engaged. You’re gonna get married.

Debra:

00:17-00:20

No, probably not. He doesn’t wanna get married. I was like, “oh, okay.”

Donna:

00:20-00:21

What’s the point in doing that?

Debra:

00:22-00:24

It’s just what he’s like, I suppose.

Donna:

00:24-00:27

Okay, okay. At least you got a nice ring, though.

Debra:

00:28-00:30

 Did, did, did have. I lost it.

Donna:

00:31-00:31

Oh, well.

Debra:

00:32-00:33

It’s somewhere in my room somewhere.

Donna:

00:34-00:36

It’s somewhere. You can’t find it. Um

Debra:

00:36-00:36

Yeah.

Donna:

00:37-00:40

So, so, so, so, so how do you how do you, how do you m-m-met your boyfriend?

Debra:

00:41-00:51

I met him through a friend of mine that I live with, through James. He was best friends with Chris, and then he came over and we started chatting and went from there.

Donna:

00:51-00:52

Oh, wow.

Debra:

00:52-00:52

Yeah.

Donna:

00:53-00:59

He-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he. So, so do you, do you known him for long, for you long for a long time?

Debra:

00:59-01:01

I’ve been with him for nearly nine years.

Donna:

01:01-01:05

Nine years. Did you get a, celebrate a anniversary? That’s a long time.

Debra:

01:05-01:08

Yeah. It is a long time. Yeah.

Donna:

01:08-01:10

You wouldn’t have a five-years anniversary by now, wouldn’t it?

Debra:

01:10-01:10

Yeah.

Donna:

01:10-01:11

Yeah.

Debra:

01:11-01:13

We do out for quite a lot of dinners and stuff, so it’s quite nice.

Donna:

01:13-01:15

Oh so, you’re, you’re, you’re a man-man-mance.

Debra:

01:15-01:15

Yeah.

Donna:

01:20-01:23

Er so, so what restaurant did he take you for your first date?

Debra:

01:24-01:25

Wetherspoons, believe it or not.

Donna:

01:25-01:26

Oh, no.

Debra:

01:26-01:29

‘Cause it was so cheap and cheerful. I was like, “Yeah, it’s cheap enough. It’s fine.”

Donna:

01:30-01:33

S-so some girls went, “This is not good enough for me. I want better.”

Debra:

01:34-01:37

Some people, yeah. But it’s obviously it’s money as well.

Donna:

01:37-01:37

Oh, yeah.

Debra:

01:38-01:39

You don’t get a lot of money, so.

Donna:

01:39-01:41

Oh, oh, oh, yeah. So you’re happy with what you’ve got, isn’t it?

Debra:

01:41-01:41

Yeah.

Donna:

01:41-01:44

So we can, we can be grateful for what you have, isn’t it?

Debra:

01:44-01:44

Yeah.

Donna:

01:44-01:46

Basically. Would you like to get married?

Debra:

01:47-01:49

Yes. I really want to.

Donna:

01:49-01:50

So, what’s your ideal wedding?

Debra:

01:51-01:52

Ooh, a big white wedding.

Donna:

01:52-01:55

Mine, I like an ivory, ivory dress.

Debra:

01:55-01:56

Ooh, nice.

Donna:

01:56-01:59

A- a- a- And an um tiara.

Debra:

02:00-02:02

Ooh, nice. Tiara’s are cool, I like them.

Donna:

02:02-02:06

Yeah, exactly. But I can’t, I can’t fit tiara over my head. It’s very big. You can see.

Debra:

02:07-02:08

It’s not that big.

Donna:

02:11-02:16

Um what do you find unique about your partner? Or special?

Debra:

02:17-02:19

His smile and his personality.

Donna:

02:19-02:23

Oh, you’re, you’re gonna be happy together one day.

Debra:

02:23-02:23

Yeah.

Donna:

02:24-02:25

If he decide to marry you.

Debra:

02:25-02:26

If he asks.

Donna:

02:26-02:27

Yes.

Scott:

00:00-00:06

Did um epilepsy come from birth, or did you progress it as you were getting older?

Harry:

00:08-00:15

I it came from when I was living at 203 after I graduated from Foxes.

Scott:

00:15-00:17

So it’s a new symptom.

Harry:

00:16-00:16

Yep.

Scott:

00:17-00:17

Yeah.

Sarah:

00:18-00:23

It’s um when Harry he was in a very difficult situation.

Harry:

00:23-00:24

Yes, I was.

Sarah:

00:24-00:26

In 203 with John.

Scott:

00:26-00:27

You don’t mind speaking about that?

Harry:

00:27-00:29

No, I don’t mind speaking about that.

Scott:

00:29-00:32

Okay. Would you like to tell us a bit about that?

Harry:

00:33-00:39

Well, when I was at 203, my old housemate, John, he was very controlling of me.

Scott:

00:40-00:42

Okay. And how did that make you feel?

Harry:

00:42-00:46

That made me feel annoyed and upset and irritated.

Sarah:

00:46-00:47

That brought on seizures.

Harry:

00:47-00:47

Yep

Scott:

00:48-00:49

And that’s what brought on your seizures?

Harry

00:50-00:50

Yes, it was.

Scott:

00:51-00:52

Anxiety and.

Harry:

00:52-00:53

Yeah, and stress and all that.

Scott:

00:53-00:55

 Yeah. Understandable.

Charlotte:

00:56-01:04

Would you mind telling us in sort of in what ways he was kind of controlling to how, how he was acting to you? If that’s okay for you to.

Scott:

01:04-01:05

talk about.

Harry:

01:05-01:19

Yep. I’ll talk about well, he used to hit me if he got angry, and he also used to control what meals we had and control what I watched on the TV.

Sarah:

01:20-01:21

What time he went to bed.

Harry:

01:21-01:25

Yeah, and what time I went to bed and what time I got up in the morning.

Scott:

01:26-01:35

So when he was doing it, did you know he was like a bullying tactic, isn’t it? Controlling. Did you know that was happening, or did someone tell you?

Harry:

01:35-01:37

Yeah, I knew that was happening.

Scott:

01:37-01:38

You knew that was happening.

Harry:

01:38-01:39

Yeah, ’cause I could see it.

Scott:

01:39-01:43

Were you scared to talk to someone at the time on how he was treating you?

Harry:

01:43-01:45

Yeah, I was scared.

Scott:

01:44-01:47

 Did you have to build up the courage to tell someone?

Harry:

01:47-01:48

Yes, I did.

Scott:

01:48-01:49

 Yeah. And.

Sarah:

01:49-01:54

So, how, how did we figure out how to get that information out of you?

Harry:

01:54-01:54

 We.

Sarah:

01:56-01:57

 What did I do?

Harry:

01:58-02:04

Sarah helped me to do a welfare checklist every time she was in.

Scott:

02:04-02:13

That’s good. And that’s how they spotted that this other gentleman was really bullying and controlling what you did in life?

Harry:

02:13-02:13

Yeah.

Scott:

02:14-02:24

Did you ever get angry with him and say, “I’ve had enough of this”? Or did you for an easy a- you just let it go on? How long did it go on for, if you don’t mind me asking?

Harry:

02:24-02:31

Yeah. It went on from 2017 until 2023.

Scott:

02:31-02:32

So there was.

Harry:

02:32-02:55

And in 20 and 2023, one time when I was cooking, he really hit me. And then I texted Sarah what had happened, and I told Sarah that I wanted to move ’cause I’d had enough of him controlling me. And then that’s when I moved to Bradford on Avon on my own.

Sarah:

02:55-03:01

How did you communicate how you felt? ‘Cause Harry isn’t able to verbally tell us.

Harry:

03:01-03:06

I communicated by writing down in my welfare checklist.

Scott:

03:06-03:08

That’s very good, Harry.

Peter:

00:00-00:01

Where do you live?

Jamie:

00:03-00:14

Now, um Martin Way. Um Shipton, ship- Shipton Road.

Peter:

00:17-00:18

Who do you live with?

Jamie:

00:20-01:12

My housemates, my buddy, and Olivia. And um it’s our house is Olivia’s family house because um and Olivia’s mum, she’s our landlord. And I was moved in there. Um last year, I was moved in. And um Olivia’s there first. I’m there as well. Um 19th of December last year, I moved in.

Peter:

01:15-01:17

What is the best bit about living there?

Jamie:

01:21-01:38

My life is I, I love there. Oh, my life. I got new friends now, and I got a nice family. And um they both look out for me.

Natalie:

00:00-00:47

I have a lot of friends, actually. I’ve just got a, a new friend at the, at the hut. Er she’s called Jess. She’s very quiet. Er and Michelle, you’re the very in loud. But er Jess is very quiet. She’s er we message each other on the night and that. But, yeah, I have a lot of different friends. But, yeah, if I don’t mind talking to people and that. I have a laugh.

Simon:

00:57-00:57

Tell

Michelle:

00:57-00:58

Tell

Simon:

00:58-00:59

Us.

Michelle:

00:59-00:59

Us.

Simon:

00:59-01:00

About

Michelle:

01:00-01:00

About

Simon:

01:01-01:01

Your

Michelle:

01:02-01:04

Your birthday

Simon:

01:05-01:06

Party

Michelle:

01:06-01:06

Party

Natalie:

01:06-01:06

Oh.

Simon:

01:07-01:08

This year.

Michelle:

01:08-01:09

This year.

Natalie:

01:09-02:16

Oh. It was very good, may I say. I had quite a lot of different people there. I had you two there. Matt, Matt was a very good DJ, may I say. He’s got four years till I’m 40. And then I think we’ll have the last one for a, a do. ‘Cause now my parents are getting older. It, it makes it hard for my parents. And also, we’ve I’ve got a big, big family. So it does and also travelling with a lot of my family. They’ve got to find places to stay and that. So, and if we get snow, ’cause it does make it hard if you’ve got snow over here. ‘Cause we had it one year, and we got snow with a party of ours and that. So it does make it difficult. ‘Cause you never know where people are coming from. So, yeah.

Pam:

00:00-00:03

That’s my second oldest sister, Susie.

Donna:

00:03-00:05

This one here?

Pam:

00:05-00:12

Yeah. And that’s, that’s when we went to wedding. My nephew’s er wedding.

Donna:

00:12-00:13

Oh, to get married?

Pam:

00:13-00:19

But I can’t I can’t remember where about it was ’cause it was quite a few years. And there’s my boyfriend.

Donna:

00:18-00:20

Okay. Is that your boyfriend?

Pam:

00:20-00:25

We knew he obviously, we knew each other when we were younger too.

Donna:

00:25-00:26

Okay.

Pam:

00:26-00:27

And um

Donna:

00:27-00:34

He he still sees you. Doesn’t he still sees you? He’s your, your boyfriend still, your boyfriend still sees you?

Pam:

00:35-00:35

 Sorry.

Donna:

00:36-00:40

He still sees you. Does, does your boyfriend still see you?

Pam:

00:41-00:44

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Donna:

00:48-00:58

How long have you been together with him? How long have you been together with him? How long have you been together with him? How long have you been together with your boyfriend?

Pam:

00:58-00:59

Sorry?

Donna:

00:59-01:01

How long have you been together with your boyfriend?

Pam:

01:02-01:04

Nearly nine- nearly 19 years.

Donna:

01:04-01:06

Oh, that’s a long time. Wow.

Pam:

01:07-02:13

We met er where, where oh, when I lived at Banton, Banton House. Banton was a little thatched house where my boyfriend and quite a few other people lived. And we er had er um a Halloween party. And we were going to have a Halloween party and a disco. But somehow, rather, the, the, the disco was cancelled. So we just had food and drink and just were together. And obviously um and some of us used this was when some of us used to live in Petworth. And er er we had a little minibus. And obviously, it was dark, and we were getting ready to get back. And he was already sitting in the minibus. And as soon as I got in and I was just about to sit down, and he wanted me to sit next to him. And that’s how our friendship got, got going.

Sapphire:

00:00-00:14

So I am trans female. Um and I’m bisexual, which means that I like boys and girls. But I lean more towards girls because I have a girlfriend, so.

Claire:

00:15-00:17

Tell me about that journey.

Sapphire:

00:18-01:56

Um so it started at the age well, I think it started at like 16. But at the time, I didn’t know what it was because there wasn’t any information on it. There wasn’t any, like, definitive way of knowing. But so I thought it was more the sense of um I like the female I like the feel of female clothing. Um but when I got to the age of 18 um that’s when that’s when I found out more about the LGBTQ, whatever it is now. Um and I researched it, researched it. And I was like, “Actually, this is me.” Like, all the points that it was ticking, well, all the point-, all the things that it was saying, it was ticking the right boxes. And it just when I told my mum and dad they well, mum was like, “Doesn’t surprise me.” My sister was like, “I’ve always wanted another sister.” My brother was like, “Okay. Whatever.” And my dad, being the worst of the worst, he was like, “Not in this house, you’re not. If you ever wear a dress up to this house, no.”

Claire:

01:59-02:01

How did that make you feel?

Sapphire:

02:02-02:26

Um for me, I didn’t really care. As long as I was happy, I was happy. But then again, that day when dad said that, mum did stand up and say, “It’s not just your house, though.” And dad immediately shut up, which was like, “Damn. Okay.”

Claire:

02:29-02:34

 How is your relationship with your dad now?

Sapphire:

02:36-02:55

Um we’re getting there, but he still doesn’t accept it. He’s an old-school guy. He’s very religious and Christian. So it’s like he won’t accept it. But I’m talking to him, which is a start.

Scott:

00:00-02:54

I would hide and take drinks from family members ’cause I was so, so depressed and not wanting to be here. Sometimes I’d say to her, “I wish that I had died so you don’t have to be put through this.” And, and she’d always reassure me and say, “I, I married you for better and worse. Remember the vows, Scott. It’s for better or for worse.” And she’s done everything, like got enabler in place, got rock in place, got um Headway in place where there’s other people. So I think everyone’s condition is unique to them, whether it’s a disability that you’re born with or an accident’s happened or someone’s had a stroke. We are all the same and unique. It’s just learning to cope and having to cope and how to change things that you can cope for it. So instead of saying, “I have a disability,” we’ve changed the word into a condition. That’s helped me a lot, a awful a lot. And now she’ll say ’cause she’ll tell me, “carer, I’m just trying to care for you.” I say, “No, you’re my wife first, and you’re my supporter on bad days.” So we’ve got rid of the care aspect to make me feel good. I had a lot of tablets I had to take. I had antidepressants. I had a tablet called lovastatin, which is a seizure tablet. And I had amphetriptyline, which is scarring tissue, and to help you sleep. ‘Cause I wouldn’t sleep. I’d think if I go to sleep, I could die. That’s how I felt with myself. I, I couldn’t control my emotions. So I was still and I was having naproxen for pain ’cause I was getting a lot of headaches. They didn’t really like me taking the naproxen because it can give you stomach ulcers or sore in stomach. So they windowed me off that and up my amphetriptyline. So I had to take five amphetriptyline a day ’cause they were 10 milligrams. So that pushed up the tablets to like 11 a day. And I’m thinking, “I don’t want this for the rest of my life.” So every time I was down, I would drink without anyone knowing. And my wife didn’t know whether it was a seizure or if I was drunk. And then I’d come out and tell her. I went to some meetings about drinking and how to cope with meds thing. But I’ve got onto drinking zero alcohol now. And the one I find that helps me is the Guinness Zero. So I still feel part of my friends when we go out to parties. I can have that. But too much of that will give me a headache as well. So I I’ll go back to juice or tea or coffee. So I think we, me and my wife had our

Claire:

02:54-02:55

Yeah.

Scott:

02:55-03:45

Different struggles with coming to terms. She’d say, “I’ve told you that. I’ve told you that.” And I’m like, “Why are you shouting at me? I was just reading the wrong signals.” And I had to go to counselling, but I, I got recommended to Talk Works. But there was a two-year waiting list, and I needed this help now. So Sally Googled the internet. She loves Google, by the way. Even if you’ve got an illness, it’s Dr. Google. Bless her. And she found a woman that specialised with head trauma victims. And she’s been wonders for my esteem. And we’re still waiting now to this day, which will be coming up for two years still for TalkWorks. So I do that privately every week and be able to talk about my issues and how my wife was making me feel instead of taking it out on my wife.

Claire:

03:46-03:49

How is your relationship now?

Scott:

03:49-04:42

Fantastic. It’s um I think we we, we struggled. We got married in 2019 just before lockdown. And we got married. We went on our honeymoon, not abroad, just to like a place in North Devon, and it was beautiful. We um I always had a drink. I was always foul-mouthed. Probably get that from my dad when I’m drunk. I don’t know what I’m saying. A nasty drunk. And it was always a problem for us. So in one way, the accident has changed me to be a better person than I was before and not to dwell on the past or think about the past and move forward with this condition with my wife instead of fighting against it. So I think it’s made us stronger and united and more in love than ever, to be honest.

Scott:

00:00-00:02

Okay. How would you describe your sexuality?

Stuart:

00:03-00:12

I would have to say now for myself, it would have to be quite flamboyant.

Scott:

00:13-00:16

Okay. Could you describe what you mean by flamboyant?

Stuart:

00:17-01:23

Yeah. When I say um flamboyant, yeah, when I say that, when I say flamboyant, I mean now for knowing I have changed of how I used to see things before with loving things has now taken me to a new to a new um to a new regime of being more er more insecure, more, more, yeah, more feminine and more like um um what’s the word I’m looking for here?

Scott:

01:24-01:31

I just touched on something. You said insecure. Is that because you’re falling in love and you feel insecure that person could hurt you?

Stuart:

01:31-01:33

I would think so. I think so.

Scott:

01:33-01:37

Is that what, what you’re insecure about? ‘Cause you’re letting your heart out

Stuart:

01:37-01:38

Yes, yes.

Scott:

01:38-01:46

to someone and you’re thinking, “Well, I’m pretty insecure here.” You know? Yeah. What is your sexuality, if you don’t mind me asking, Stuart?

Stuart:

01:46-01:50

Well, as of now, I am gay.

Scott:

01:51-02:04

And how does that make you feel in yourself now you can say it? Was there any times where you felt ashamed or upset that you had these feelings for men?

Stuart:

02:05-02:10

I never realised this until two years ago.

Scott:

02:11-02:27

So two years ago, your so you had girlfriends beforehand. Yeah? So did you always have these feelings growing up through school and just never acted on them? Did you always feel that way in a way?

Stuart:

02:26-02:32

When I was younger, I never really knew what gay was.

Scott:

02:32-02:48

Okay. But you have a bit more of understanding how two people can fall in love and it doesn’t matter what sex you are. That’s good. That’s nice. So have you met are you dating with a partner at the moment?

Stuart:

02:48-03:09

Yeah. I’m dating someone now. We have been together for 10 months already. And er also now, not only are we dating, we’ve only just er agreed and commit ourselves for engagement now.

Scott:

03:09-03:23

That’s fantastic. That’s really good. So what’s your favourite dates, what you do together? Do you have any specific, like, “Oh, that, that was such a good day”? Like, what was your favourite time together?

Stuart:

03:24-03:27

I would have to say the very first day we met, the very first day.

Scott:

03:29-03:39

The very first day. So how did that conversation come? Did you just chat and then meet up again afterwards? Was it like through phone messages to get to know each other?

Stuart:

03:40-03:41

Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

03:41-03:52

Yeah. So you got to know each other before you fell for each other. But your first date was the one that stands out for you. Could you explain why that made you so happy that date?

Stuart:

03:53-05:10

Er, all I know is it was last year in 2024. It was in June, the 22nd. It was a Saturday that um we had um Plymouth Pride on. And er that was come back to the time when we were first talking to each other. I said to him, “How does he feel about meeting up at Plymouth Pride?” And he was all for it. So we both went up there. I went with my parents. He went with his mum and a few of his friends. And we had a good day, met up with each other. Since then, we are still currently as we are now, dating still. And I know we may not have the ring on the finger yet, but that will be happening on the next date. The ring is going on.

Scott:

05:11-05:21

So you’ve got something to look forward to. That’s fantastic. How did your parents feel about you coming out being gay? If you don’t mind me asking, if it’s too personal, you don’t have to answer.

Stuart:

05:22-05:43

All I know is when I decided to be gay, I did letters. I did I did letters because I do know for some people will find it easier to go to them and say, whereas for other people may find it difficult to say, like they can’t find the words.

Scott:

05:43-05:55

But you can find it if you write it down, what’s in your head. And instead of like trying to speak, speak about it verbally. How did they react? Were they happy? Were they a bit sad? Were they?

Stuart:

05:55-05:57

I would have to say surprised.

Scott:

05:57-06:08

They were surprised ’cause you had so many girlfriends, you said as a child. Yeah. But did you always have these feelings as you grew up as a child, or was it just in your later years?

Stuart:

06:08-06:10

Later years, it was later.

Scott:

06:10-06:11

Yeah. Fantastic.

Will:

00:00-00:02

Your interests there, your football, your films.

Tom:

00:02-00:02

 Yeah.

Will:

00:02-00:04

Have you got a girlfriend as well, like a?

Tom:

00:04-00:55

And I’ve got um, and I’ve got um, I’ve got the first girl girlfriend has gone to the past er already now. And I’ll already to move on. I’m getting myself a new girlfriend called Ella, Ella Joy Natalie Mitchell is my, my darling and my angel. I’m going to see her on Sunday morning for a cinema date and scran. And in, and in my life, this is important. I’m old enough to get, to get married with my love. I’m having all my stuff out, and I’m staying with my love. And no stress is allowed.

Will:

00:55-00:58

That sounds brilliant. How did you meet her?

Tom:

00:59-01:24

Oh, when I meet my love then I met my lover to Golden Grange and Turton Peak. And Turton Peak, I was being off. Then we’re going to a new building, the new building called YHA, and I’m going for it.

Will:

01:26-01:28

So how long have you two been together then?

Tom:

01:29-01:30

10 years.

Will:

01:30-01:31

Really? 10 years?

Tom:

01:31-01:32

Really.

Will:

01:32-01:38

That’s a long time. And you just want to be together forever, yeah?

Tom:

01:38-01:39

Yes, I do.

Donna:

00:00-00:04

When, when did you first see, see your wife, met your wife for the first time?

William:

00:04-00:14

First time I met my wife was in Rose Green, and it was a, it was um a company called, and they still run it, the Links Club.

Donna:

00:14-00:15

Okay.

William:

00:15-02:14

And they were under, is it MenCap? And it was a club that was done at four people. We went down there, and we did activities there and that. And I had a, her friend, which was a gentleman called Robert Aphrod, and he was friends with Sheila. Um I don’t know how they exactly met, but they were friends before I knew Sheila. And one year, I think it was, we were having a dance at this club, and we’d been there. I’d been going for quite a while. And ’cause he brought down, he brought Sheila down, and I met Sheila. And then I had got a bit confused ’cause I had an auntie Sheila, that was my mum’s sister. So um I was staying in lodgings and in Bognor Regis. And my um my er girlfriend at the time, Sheila, came down with her mum and said, “This is my mum, Sheila.” And she came to the flat door, and it was a bit embarrassing. So I just come out the shower. And not got dressed at the time. I got a towel around me. And um so she says, “This is my mum, Sheila.” So of course, that was a confusing bit ’cause I thought it was my auntie, Sheila. And then when I saw my girlfriend, I realised it was her mother, and she was called Sheila too. Um so that’s how I first met Sheila, and I’ve known her or was married in 2009.

Donna:

02:15-02:15

Okay.

William:

02:16-02:54

And I, before that, was 18 when I first met Sheila. So I must have been with Sheila, I think, 30 years engaged or, yeah, I mean, it’s engagement, common-law man and wife, whatever you want to say to. Um and then I got married in 2009, and we’ve known each other since I was 18. I’m 56, and Sheila’s 70. So we’ve been together ever since.

Donna:

02:55-02:59

What was the wedding? What was the wedding like?

William:

02:59-04:31

Well, at the time, we were at Care at Warburton, which I think’s closed up now. And we, I had a friend that um where I worked in the orchard with Sheila. We worked with special needs, and they had an apple orchard. We used to work in the orchard together to do all the orchard stuff. Um and when he was in this country as a support carer, he um arranged part of the um reception for us. We were married at Chichester Registry Office um but he arranged the reception side of it. So he arranged, he had a friend that had a horse and cart, and we wanted a horse and cart to take us down to reception. So he arranged that. Um my best man, I still see, he lives in a home under um Care, I think, in Barnum. And he was, I knew this gentleman when I was at Care. And then um he just sort of like got married, and we carried on being together, and we’ve been happy for all the many years we’ve had.